tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post2716334555445394792..comments2024-03-14T18:26:18.208-07:00Comments on autism's gadfly: Ari Ne'eman gives input on autistics in workplacejonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-15127806513429244642013-01-30T09:28:48.955-08:002013-01-30T09:28:48.955-08:00Jonathan
I have been diagnosed as having Asperger...Jonathan<br /><br />I have been diagnosed as having Asperger's syndrome so I have personal experience with autism spectrum disorders.<br /><br />When you state "People, yell, get into arguments and sometimes sexually accost employees in the workplace. "<br /><br />They need to make sure they don't yell or sexually accosting employees. Especially with sexually accosting, they need to keep their hands to themselves. I am in agreement with this. To me, these are not social pleasantries but matters of civility except for making arguments.<br /><br />With respect to arguments sometimes one must pick his battles. For me, I feel employers demand something from employees and that is their very identity and soul. <br /><br /> I have a monster problem with a person being forced to be an extraverted salesperson when it is unnecessary. This means employees are forced to be something they are not. <br /><br />Here is another issue that I have. <br /><br />Let's say I don't shake hands in the matter the employer demands and I don't apply the amount of pressure the employer demands. This is what I'm talking about. Let's say the candidate has a habit of sticking his pinky out while he shakes hand. Will he or she be punished for this? By their standards it would seem so. <br /><br />I don't agree that one should be forced to be this extraverted, confident, salesperson if this is not what he is. <br /><br />I do agree that one should be cordial, civil and polite. One should not curse out customers and one does need to keep himself clean and hygienic. I have had issues with this but I have had to work on them because when I smell I affect other people. <br /><br />One should not spit on the floor or anything like that. One should say please and thank you. <br /><br />What you describe are matters of civility not matters of social pleasantries. <br /><br />"Employers are unfortunately infallible gods in their workplace and can usually fire at will, unless there is some sort of contract. "<br /><br />True, this is the case now. I'm talking about the idea of this. I'm asking, why does it have to be this way? Why aren't some of their standards ever put under examination, scrutiny, or question? Why is it always socially inappropriate to question some of these standards?A better future for allhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03815949082061415658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-73991638390920833642013-01-30T07:36:59.818-08:002013-01-30T07:36:59.818-08:00Normally I don't write responses to three year...Normally I don't write responses to three year old posts, but clearly you don't understand autism spectrum disorders and the problems it causes people in the workplace. Autism is a far more serious disease than just lacking "civility". People, yell, get into arguments and sometimes sexually accost employees in the workplace. Employers are unfortunately infallible gods in their workplace and can usually fire at will, unless there is some sort of contract. jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-20790157112273879072013-01-30T07:25:01.703-08:002013-01-30T07:25:01.703-08:00Jonathan
I do not define social pleasantries the ...Jonathan<br /><br />I do not define social pleasantries the way you. To me, it is called civility. Of course, one should not say "fuck you" to customers. Of course one should not pee in the coffee cup. Yes, one should say please and thank you. A person should not be allowed to run naked in Yankee Stadium. Yes, a person should of course be polite. If a person causes offense unintentionally or intentionally the right thing to do is to make amends and apologize. Of course one should conform to a dress code the employer expects. <br /><br />When I am talking about social pleasantries I'm not talking about this whatsoever. What I am talking about is having to be this extraverted, confident salesperson especially when the job does not require this. Employers demand people to be this personality type when they are not. <br /><br />In addition, I have a big problem with employers being treated as gods and infallible. This is what I mean by the social pleasantries. These are my issues. A better future for allhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03815949082061415658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-89931661675870502192009-10-03T07:39:34.317-07:002009-10-03T07:39:34.317-07:00As far as Skye Walker goes, society needs to be ch...As far as Skye Walker goes, society needs to be changed so they have acceptance of autistic teens who help their parents gain early entrance to heaven. Skye Walker is, after all, the next step in evolution and NT's are incapable of comprehending his gift.<br /><br />I communicated with Skye through EAP (Extra Aspie Perception) and I will introduce legislation to fool the public into believing that Skye's motive for what might be considered a crime by mere mortals is beyond their level of understanding and Skye should be set free so he may interact with speeding cars on freeways so he may be reincarnated at an even higher level that will be further beyond NT's comprehension.<br /><br />Don't forget: Nothing about us without us.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-5604473802187079622009-10-02T15:17:22.849-07:002009-10-02T15:17:22.849-07:00"I don't think so. You want respect from ..."I don't think so. You want respect from mainstream society you live within the expectations and laws of mainstream society.<br /><br />Those with Autism can be taught appropriate social and behavioural skills. I know..... I'm teaching 2 children right now on either end of the spectrum."<br /><br />What would you do with Sky Walker? I personally would not charge him with a crime because I don't think he knew what he was doing. Do you think his mother just failed to teach him social skills? Sky Walker is profoundly mentally retarded.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-66079229778821282052009-10-01T11:58:27.140-07:002009-10-01T11:58:27.140-07:00As much as we might wish otherwise, social skills ...As much as we might wish otherwise, social skills are essential to get employed and remain that way, and no amout of legislation is going to change that.<br /><br />I share your concerns about a 21-year-old with no work experience offering opinions about employability.John Robisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407165016025447113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-33991690832695387052009-10-01T07:21:23.625-07:002009-10-01T07:21:23.625-07:00I like the way you consider Asperger's and Aut...I like the way you consider Asperger's and Autism as distinct conditions, because they are. While both have their challenges, the degree of those are not the same. This is not to dismiss Asperger's, as I realize more is expected of them in terms of functioning in the world and those skill may not come naturally. Yet, I can't help but notice that the Aspies in my son's class are nothing like him.<br /><br />I heard that it is being considered in the upcoming DSM update to list distinct but related syndromes. I hope that is true.<br /><br />I have Spectrum traits myself, including signficant processing disorders and all things ADHD. Yet, it would be wrong to refer to myself as On The Spectrum because I've never had challenges with relationships, making and keeping friends, etc - some of the things Aspies report. Similarly, I think it is wrong for Aspies to imply that they have is an identical condition to someone with Classic Autism because they do not.Autism Mom Risinghttp://autismmomrising.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-69010221103307951122009-09-30T04:55:55.357-07:002009-09-30T04:55:55.357-07:00EXCUSE ME!!!
1. All those laws against being prot...EXCUSE ME!!!<br /><br />1. All those laws against being protected from abuse by other people should be thrown out.<br /><br />2. Autistics should not be charged with any crime.<br /><br />I don't think so. You want respect from mainstream society you live within the expectations and laws of mainstream society.<br /><br />Those with Autism can be taught appropriate social and behavioural skills. I know..... I'm teaching 2 children right now on either end of the spectrum.<br /><br />Is working in the "workplace" difficult - I have no doubt for some. Should basic accommodations be made if possible - yes. But to ASSUME entitlement - I don't think so.farmwifetwohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680758336779501712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-9453560559326683342009-09-30T04:23:22.930-07:002009-09-30T04:23:22.930-07:00This is why the "genuis" Aspies should b...This is why the "genuis" Aspies should become professional horseplayers. If the jockey gives your horse a lousy ride and costs you money, you can scream at him like a lunatic when he comes back and dismounts and nobody cares.<br />Aspies would also make good umpires where they can call balls and strikes wrong and nobody is allowed to argue with them.<br /><br />They would probably do well as Customer Service Rep's for the government where they can lie to voters and laugh about it. Neuroinsane bloggers are skilled at lying about autism so they can count that as experience. After you get a gov. job, nobody knows which politician's ass you kissed to get it so you can be as rude as you want to everyone and the bosses are scared they'll lose their own job if they mess with the wrong politician's friend.<br /><br />Ne'eman just needs to learn more about how employment really works so he can guide the Aspies to the right careers.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-80879092813025372852009-09-29T22:56:17.038-07:002009-09-29T22:56:17.038-07:00Ari Ne'eman should spend two weeks pouring in ...Ari Ne'eman should spend two weeks pouring in 12-hour shifts at a Wing Zone for a shithead boss with assholes for coworkers like I did before making statements like those. <br /><br />He says we should eliminate social pleasantry from the workplace to help autistics, while the elimination of social pleasantry from my workplace was precisely why my experience there had been so horrible.Jake Crosbyhttp://www.ageofautism.com/jake-crosbynoreply@blogger.com