tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post1735970310190215869..comments2024-03-14T18:26:18.208-07:00Comments on autism's gadfly: Thomas Armstrong's book on neurodiversityjonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-24028370902964565232010-07-08T05:20:36.581-07:002010-07-08T05:20:36.581-07:00So far all you've done is make up a story you ...So far all you've done is make up a story you can neither reference nor establish as in any way true<br /><br />Your logic is odd. I told you the delivery method I can use, but you refuse it, but continue to comment on it. I suppose you don't want to see it, hear it etc. That's up to you. <br /><br />"As for anger, not me Kent :) you stir up a tired kind of indifference in me :) "<br /><br />I don't think that's true. If you were indifferent, you wouldn't be continually checking this blog so you can have the last word. You wouldn't be scrubbing comments ( hiding like a coward.) You'd verify that I've been instructed (by implied threat) not to make this material public. You have Ari's email. Email him and get his permission then all is good. I know for a fact Ari reads this blog. If he wanted to dispel this, he could have simply emailed me or given the go ahead.<br /><br />In the time it took you to type all these comments, you could have viewed and listened to the tapes long ago. There is a reason you haven't. Its anger. Its the manic cycle your going through. See a doctor.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-73462999128314237072010-07-07T23:41:11.272-07:002010-07-07T23:41:11.272-07:00As for as Ari Ne’eman’s interviews, you are wrong ...As for as Ari Ne’eman’s interviews, you are wrong here again. I have watched some of these on YT and I am afraid, you have not got the full picture either on him, or ASAN or the ND movement. Ari is a politician, that’s all. If he cared for low functioning people, for autism as a whole, it would be obvious in his actions. If autism was seen in his eyes as a serious condition, he would be acting a lot more clearly towards improving it, detection diagnosis, intervention, services. What he is doing exactly? None of that, the ND ideas are insufficient to help autism.<br /><br />One thing you have in common with him, though as a politician, he has a lot more style and subtleties to his persona that you could ever get, but one thing you both do routinely, is to distort the reality of autism, and to go quite aggressively to remove, and even destroy dissident opinions that challenge your views. <br /><br />I think you presented as a much more likeable person in this Santa baby video of yours, though admittedly that too was rather ridiculous, but maybe you missed a life opportunity there, maybe, at least that way, you would have been amusing others.SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-84085537402316627752010-07-07T23:41:11.273-07:002010-07-07T23:41:11.273-07:00Kev
Having had the opportunity to visit your bogs...Kev<br /><br />Having had the opportunity to visit your bogs, may I ask, what exactly do you do in autism that helps? It is not transparent at all. <br /><br />What is it that you have not yet understood? <br /><br />That there are services out there, interventions and treatments that help autistic people? You have not got any of that, and I can only guess that the main reason is that somehow, you have been incapable of providing this to your daughter. To cover your guilt of missing supporting her, you have to distort the reality of what can be achieved today. Of course, in addition, you might also present with the typical characteristics of having highly restricted interest with some difficulties in seeing the fuller picture. This is combined with some limitation in social communication skills.SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-57978754614674314822010-07-05T11:53:24.402-07:002010-07-05T11:53:24.402-07:00"I understand you prefer declining a dialogue..."I understand you prefer declining a dialogue. It does not exactly suprise me or bother me in any way."<br /><br />Mr. Leitch is still stuck in the anger stage of the 5 stages of grief. He isn't quite ready yet to dialogue with anyone. He heavily scrubs the comments on his blog yet feels comfortable calling people names when they cannot respond. He is less mature than my 7 year old ASD child.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-10658555989857892262010-07-05T08:01:57.576-07:002010-07-05T08:01:57.576-07:00My post does no fit within the gadfly requirements...My post does no fit within the gadfly requirements in lenght and the links are not maintained with a straight copy paste. To visit my blog is just one click away-<br /><br />http://skymaker69.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I understand you prefer declining a dialogue. It does not exactly suprise me or bother me in any way.SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-87789665634552219442010-07-04T16:09:33.577-07:002010-07-04T16:09:33.577-07:00And I'm really sorry my coding offends - maybe...And I'm really sorry my coding offends - maybe you could point out a section which is particularly bad?<br /><br />The entire template, which you appropriated and tried to make your own has errors throughout it and doesn't load efficiently. I expect that you can adequately test it against various browsers. Or perhaps not. Call an expert if you are having problems.<br /><br />Meantime, back to your vaccine talk, while your daughter languishes with her disability and you as a man and father do very little to enlighten the world short of your Jenny McCarthy posts and your standing feud with another cult, the Age of Autism.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-87288952516493963592010-07-04T16:06:18.514-07:002010-07-04T16:06:18.514-07:00And no discussion about vaccines? OK :)
But did y...And no discussion about vaccines? OK :)<br /><br />But did you realize I wrote a blood post for you on my blog and it took me 2hr to write the damn thing. and I did this because Jonathan does not like my long verbose writing and I thought I should not offend him with more. Heck, you've got to read the bloody thing!<br /><br />http://skymaker69.blogspot.com/SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-90356237122925277362010-07-04T16:00:55.495-07:002010-07-04T16:00:55.495-07:00Hey Santa Baby,
Show some class and get Ari's...Hey Santa Baby,<br /><br />Show some class and get Ari's permission. I have some juicy bits with Ari talking smack about you and others. All you have to do is show some class and get him to approve the release of this information. Or are you scared to be handed your ass?<br /><br />I emailed Ari asking for permission. He has denied it.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-14376345315710945942010-07-04T10:18:33.998-07:002010-07-04T10:18:33.998-07:00"If thats wrong then post what you have publi..."If thats wrong then post what you have publicly for all to see."<br /><br />I was requested that this not be made public by Ari (ask him yourself), therefore the private link.<br /><br />I guess you are simply an imposter. I'm through with this thread as we have hijacked it which is unfair to Jonathan.<br /><br />Kev/Santa Baby, (if this is you) go back on your meds. You're having a manic phase and do something about your website. Worst coding job I've ever seen.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-8747843913665366502010-07-04T03:55:37.077-07:002010-07-04T03:55:37.077-07:00Thanks Kev
Yes you are the person I thought you ...Thanks Kev<br /><br /><br />Yes you are the person I thought you were. First of all, let me complement you for your entertaining briefly appearing Xmas video. That kind of thing is always fun ☺!<br /><br />So, in response to your question: No I don’t want to talk about vaccination issues.<br /><br />......<br /><br />But since you have asked, I have written a post on my blog that address your queries. <br /><br />http://skymaker69.blogspot.com/SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-14918148561868443302010-07-03T19:53:17.268-07:002010-07-03T19:53:17.268-07:00Kev, I'd be happy to supply you with the outta...Kev, I'd be happy to supply you with the outtakes of my interview with Mr. Ne'eman. Send me your private email through YouTube and I'll send you a link to view a the private video.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-88230982099736146462010-07-03T12:50:15.841-07:002010-07-03T12:50:15.841-07:00"Sure Kent, that'd be great.
Lorene, my ..."Sure Kent, that'd be great.<br /><br />Lorene, my name is Kev Leitch. I own and run Left Brain/Right Brain http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk"<br /><br />Before I post what you want, send me an email from your youtube account to mine. I believe you are an imposter.Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-9815022006032746632010-07-02T13:18:22.518-07:002010-07-02T13:18:22.518-07:00Hi Kev
Since you want to know my opinion on vacci...Hi Kev<br /><br />Since you want to know my opinion on vaccines, why don't you confirm your identity, so we play fair?<br /><br />LSM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-8775319430594474092010-07-02T13:09:16.543-07:002010-07-02T13:09:16.543-07:00Kev stated: "Regarding people from ND saying...Kev stated: "Regarding people from ND saying that autism is not associated with severe difficulties/disabilities I ask you simply to provide a quote/evidence etc that this is so. Since you believe it so sincerely, "<br /><br />Would you like me to supply you with the quotes, how about some audio and video of Ari Ne'eman saying this exact thing or perhaps just an easy link to an Autism Hub approved blog?Kent Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-14210764271439939122010-07-01T11:00:22.144-07:002010-07-01T11:00:22.144-07:00Kev
Funny exchange developing here… you do or do ...Kev<br /><br />Funny exchange developing here… you do or do not want to talk about it? Because you have even though you said you have not… or should we summarize this with this question: do you know, that I know, that you know? Are we talking about anything that is important here? I am afraid no, arguing for the sake of it. So what?<br /><br />I don’t need to explain what I said, it was pretty clear, and I don’t think we have failed to answer your questions on the ND crowd. Maybe they have, at times, when it was politically beneficial, acknowledged that autism can be a difficult condition, but more often than not, when autism is not so shinny, they turn a blind eye and they don’t really care to represent the voice of the fuller spectrum. They don’t want to look at what these other autistic people might need. They look very narcissistically at their own image, and the glossier the better.<br /><br />But if you think the ND views has helped autism in some concrete and measurable ways, perhaps you can tell us how?SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-44796412176551019352010-06-30T08:27:01.056-07:002010-06-30T08:27:01.056-07:00Hi Kev
I am glad Jonathan answered for me, becaus...Hi Kev<br /><br />I am glad Jonathan answered for me, because I was going to say, anyone here please step in! There are many examples that have been reported on various blogs to suggest that ASAN disregards those ASD people who are more affected, and are not opened to a true and positive support to this community as a whole. Their position on the JRC issue is also of some concerns. Same report on the Autreat group/ Jim Sinclair which Jonathan covered recently. I have also met with Jim Sinclair and can confirm that he is not interested in providing true help to autistic people, but rather to promote this idealistic view of what the condition is, another way of being, a personality trait. This brings me to our most famous or infamous UK autism researcher, SBC, who also is totally ignoring the lower functioning side of the spectrum. And what should we say of the NAS...? Have a look at their magazine and you'll get the answer. So examples are numerous and many AS people and parents of more affected children have been involved in various disputes on this issue.<br /><br />Regarding the vaccine stuff, I actually did not really raise it. I only said there parents who Roger criticised have concerns and they want answers, honest and thorough. I have heard their stories and they are indeed concerning. Anyone who is non-bias and open-minded should actually pay attention to these. But I agree, anyone, (irrespectively of the topic, religious, what ever) who is extra focused on one narrow issue, disregarding the broader picture and propagating views that are not fully established, or merely their views, as these were absolute truths is somewhat irritating and not really all that helpful. But I can excuse this, in the case of these parents, because I know what they have experienced, and it equals to a trauma. And that does not get healed without major repair being done. Do, you see what I trying to explain?SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-77479183705446547952010-06-30T08:03:17.044-07:002010-06-30T08:03:17.044-07:00Also Ne'eman has said that curing autism would...Also Ne'eman has said that curing autism would be morally reprehensible, so apparently providing a cure for this medical condition that Kev acknowledges causes so many problems is a bad thing.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-33421685410331589222010-06-30T08:01:29.699-07:002010-06-30T08:01:29.699-07:00Maybe you could provide an example of me (for exam...<i>Maybe you could provide an example of me (for example) ignoring this reality?</i><br /><br />I know Kev asked Lorene and not me, but I hope he does not mind if I give him the Ari Ne'eman example: <br /><br /><b>Yes, we are autistics living in a neurotypical society. Undoubtedly, that brings about certain pressures and problems. But if we are to demand equal legitimacy, if we are to assert that a “cure” is not only unnecessary and undesirable but also morally reprehensible</b><br /><br /><b>The belief was that anyone society labeled "disabled" could only go so far. Sadly, these misconceptions had the potential to become self-fulfilling prophecies. When the expectation is that people of a certain type can only reach so far, they are not provided with the same challenges and opportunities that educators give mainstreamed students....</b><br /><br /><b>We should recognize what diversity of neurology has contributed to the human race and what it can bring to the future. Difference is not disability and someday, I hope, the world will recognize that those who think in different ways should be welcomed.</b><br /><br />After gadfly called out Ne'eman on these words when Kev's friend Sullivan was claiming Ne'eman never said autism was not a disability, Ne'eman edited his essay and then later deleted altogether from the ASAN site. <br /><br />Sullivan has supported Ari Ne'eman for confirmation to the NDC and IACC, as do most members of the ND movement. This says it all to me. It is very clear that ND does not believe that autism is a disability (at least by association with Ne'eman) that autism is a sociologic problem and not a medical one.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-62179794738709001172010-06-28T10:27:56.074-07:002010-06-28T10:27:56.074-07:00A further thought on the view ND has on autism. Wh...A further thought on the view ND has on autism. Why not promote a positive image that is real? Why should there be attributes shared by so few to represent autism, savant skills, higher intelligence etc? Surely real views are more likely in the longer term to offer real assistance. Propagating clichés can only bring deceit. Autism should represents itself for what it is. Equally those working with autism should not solely focused on the high functioning cases. I can recall meeting both workers and professionals who are so proud of working with autism, yet, evidently, they show total disrespect if not disdain to those who are more affected and challenging. <br /><br />The ND/ ASAN movement could get inspired by what ARC does for example, that would be a little more helpful in my views.<br /><br />http://www.arcuk.org.uk/SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-89279377933634415962010-06-28T08:47:56.361-07:002010-06-28T08:47:56.361-07:00Kev, I will certainly not be involved in discussin...Kev, I will certainly not be involved in discussing issues of vaccination here. I respect your views, and suggest you consider being tolerant of the one of others. Are you afraid that opinions could be diverging? Autism is such a varied range of conditions with no one single answer to it, views are better represented as global and inclusive with tolerance and knowledge. <br /><br />Autism can be associated with very severe difficulties and to ignore this reality has no benefit what so ever. What we want is a positive attitude and the right services in place. Show me any ND people or group able to put in place true support and services to autism towards all their ASD people and I’ll reconsider the view that overall a lack grounded realism is unhelpful.SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-76672755888051974382010-06-27T18:36:04.743-07:002010-06-27T18:36:04.743-07:00"and how much rather he would be with someone..."and how much rather he would be with someone constructing a spear or making a fire regardless of their social deficiencies."<br /><br />Not even if that someone were deficient in the area of social skills he or she would need to not stab him with that spear or set him ablaze with that fire?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-48446235732827889332010-06-27T18:33:01.314-07:002010-06-27T18:33:01.314-07:00"It also deals with the flawed concept of con..."It also deals with the flawed concept of conditions such as autism and schizophrenia remaining in the population due to evolutionary advantages. Like other nongeneticists Temple Grandin and Simon B-C, Armstrong neglects to take into account de novo mutations."<br /><br />...and neglect to take into account arranged marriages (enabling people without social skills to still reproduce), customs of telling one's kids to stop caring about friendship and shut up and study (creating a home environment in which having social skills and wanting to make friends is a disadvantage), strict hierarchies based on ancestry (enabling people to get rank and power regardless of whether or not they have social skills), etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-91500832263692984972010-06-22T13:10:56.303-07:002010-06-22T13:10:56.303-07:00Is there any mention of the proposed changes with ...Is there any mention of the proposed changes with the DSM-V in this book? <br /><br />It is expected that many of the most brilliant AS/HFA people will no longer have a label. SBC will find himself at the end of his career contemplating a range of studies conducted on people who no longer have a diagnosis. Some have said that he would not even be seriously affected, opting instead for an early retirement and holding onto the view that he has contributed all he could to this field. Unless of course he suddenly changes side, endorsing what others the issues others have tried to raise as if they were is. His empire would allow this to happen. Similarly, the NAS is now endorsing dietary modification after claiming it has no benefit. People change side as they may fit.<br /><br />I have not seen that many people in the autism field being sufficiently opened. Those parents you are referring to Roger are focused on vaccine issues because they are convinced this is what has happened to their child. And they are angry. And they will not budge until they receive a thorough, honest and convincing answer. That there are other types of autism is not a question they have really considered and are interested in. This is what a parent does isn’t it, to fight for your child? <br /><br />The ND people are not able to see autism in any other ways as a romantic concept. That autism could be associated with severe debilitating issues and inability to function unassisted is also not something they want to consider. Every time they are reminded of this reality, they turn away, pretending there is no problem.<br /><br />As for those endorsing the Gadfly’s views, perhaps, we could say, they do not appear to appreciate that to promote of positive image of autism, as long as it remains realistic, actually has many positive benefits to the individuals and their family. <br /><br />And amongst all of these, there are those who are adamant that their own theory is the one that is correct and explains it all. Genetic, broca area, mirror neurons, amygdala, brain stem, hippocampus,organophosphate, methylation issues, oxydative stress, auto-immune, heavy metals etc etc. <br /><br />The Autism Carnival.SM69https://www.blogger.com/profile/16239400845268784984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-73382982286272325802010-06-22T11:30:16.422-07:002010-06-22T11:30:16.422-07:00"Somebody take the "Hub" and reprin..."Somebody take the "Hub" and reprint it into a book??"<br /><br />I was thinking the exact same thing. Perhaps Armstrong cannot find other ways to make more money due to his feigned psychology practice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-63816264231186456652010-06-21T04:23:55.811-07:002010-06-21T04:23:55.811-07:00Somebody take the "Hub" and reprint it i...Somebody take the "Hub" and reprint it into a book??<br /><br />The stereotypes are annoying... from one parent who's children are not savants in music, art nor computers. Just average.farmwifetwonoreply@blogger.com