tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post688307863320854170..comments2024-03-14T18:26:18.208-07:00Comments on autism's gadfly: Disclosure in the workplace for autists, is it helpful?jonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-63662032637407675382010-02-27T18:51:51.708-08:002010-02-27T18:51:51.708-08:00"The employer might be too polite to tell the..."The employer might be too polite to tell the person they are being fired for their behavior."<br /><br />That's a shame. Someone being fired deserves to know why he or she was fired, so that he or she can do better next time seeking another job.<br /><br />Someone being fired for scaring co-workers deserves to know it was for scaring co-workers, for the same reason! The way one treats other people has consequences: other people have the right to assume you actually mean what you say and do and respond accordingly.<br /><br />"These things should be common sense to anyone in the autism field or to any person who knows anything about what happens in the workplace to autistic people."<br /><br />Those things should be common sense to everyone in any field who's not totally self-employed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-89066459322820372332008-08-24T10:40:00.000-07:002008-08-24T10:40:00.000-07:00anon, don't act like you don't know what I'm talki...anon, don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. I don't need to provide a link. There are likely lots of autistics not becoming employed in the first place because of inabilities, and in some cases because they can't be educated to be qualified for some jobs. <BR/><BR/>So the few that are lucky to gain employment likely will be qualified. But still, there could be a few that have a hard time doing the job, who still have impairments. Why don't you prove that no autistics with jobs have a hard time doing them? So you can convince people that only you super smart ones exist. I'm tired of your contempt against the truly disabled, who you are trying make people forget.lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14926254116447529725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-48457133400135483182008-08-24T09:19:00.000-07:002008-08-24T09:19:00.000-07:00Lurker,Then who were you referring to by saying th...Lurker,<BR/><BR/>Then who were you referring to by saying that there are autistics that are in jobs they are not qualified for? Also, please provide a link or something to qualify your statement as it seems to be a blanket statement made against an entire group of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-82476013733551205172008-08-24T08:45:00.000-07:002008-08-24T08:45:00.000-07:00I doubt the self-diagnosed are living off welfare....I doubt the self-diagnosed are living off welfare. I bet they have jobs with no problems because they aren't really impaired. When those people talk about pesky things like not wanting go to office parties or minor sensory issues at the workplace, or crying for no meaningful reason or whatever, it obscures the actual difficulties in doing work that the truly disabled on the spectrum face. I don't want people handing out sympathy to people who have no impairments holding them back.<BR/><BR/>You have to realize I'm not talking about you high functioning non disabled self diagnosed people when I'm talking about the people with real impairments. That's a distinction that some are trying to pretend isn't real.lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14926254116447529725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-81021602754776570562008-08-24T02:59:00.000-07:002008-08-24T02:59:00.000-07:00lurked,It isnt as easy to get accomodations as you...lurked,<BR/><BR/>It isnt as easy to get accomodations as you portray. A medical designation from an MD is required. Some of you folks claim there are a bunch of self diagnosed people out there living off welfare but then you say that when these people do work, they are not qualified to do the work. Really, few of you really critically think through your convictions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-67567050886785847892008-08-23T19:13:00.000-07:002008-08-23T19:13:00.000-07:00anon, I'm at least glad Jonathan gains attention f...anon, I'm at least glad Jonathan gains attention for some of the problems a lot of people just don't want to talk about. Like the reality that there are some who actually lack competence in their jobs, who would be without employment because of that. I wish more attention was called to the absurdity of telling employers one is autistic when they don't have autism in a disabled way, and all they have to deal with are a few sensory irritations.lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14926254116447529725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-83356306583440915132008-08-23T16:43:00.000-07:002008-08-23T16:43:00.000-07:00Harold Its more important to Jonathan to get atten...Harold <BR/><BR/>Its more important to Jonathan to get attention than to thoughtfully understand the positions he takes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-8327575899892594372008-08-23T13:30:00.000-07:002008-08-23T13:30:00.000-07:00Stephen Shore is not ND, you lose credibility when...Stephen Shore is not ND, you lose credibility when you make things up. Best to stick to with what you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-38427341452253186942008-08-23T12:12:00.000-07:002008-08-23T12:12:00.000-07:00>80% of people refered to the National Autistic...>80% of people refered to the National Autistic Society's "Prospects" employment agency, gain and keep jobs.Socrateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12525104555859213125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-62887147001509047452008-08-23T09:02:00.000-07:002008-08-23T09:02:00.000-07:00hi anonymous obviously you did not read my post ca...hi anonymous obviously you did not read my post carefully. I just gave one example of a neurodiversity person who said that disclosure was a good idea. You can type autism diva toxic waste dump into google and find this. Also you can read the book ask and tell by Stephen Shore or read Stephen Shore's other writings on line about disclosure. Steve is against a cure for autism and has some neurodiversity leanings. You can re-read the post and see about zach lassiter and the others who tried disclosure though not all of those examples were persons who believed in neurodiversity. Actually most of the people who I know of who proposed disclosure as a solution were not part of the neurodiversity movement, but it is an idea that is commonly proposed by persons who look for easy answers and in most cases it clearly does not work.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-29235122271215953932008-08-23T05:40:00.000-07:002008-08-23T05:40:00.000-07:00Please point to any post by someone holding the ND...Please point to any post by someone holding the ND belief where they say disclosing your diagnosis will solve problems today. If you can't then you are making things up again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-41736230653812843162008-08-23T02:21:00.000-07:002008-08-23T02:21:00.000-07:00JonathanIf there is no disclosure, and discussion ...Jonathan<BR/><BR/>If there is no disclosure, and discussion of the challenges specific to that person, it is difficult to see how those challenges can be accommodated. <BR/><BR/>In Canada employers, and prospective employers, have a duty to accommodate a person's disability up to the point of undue hardship. Without disclosure I don't see how that duty could be fulfilled.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838571980003579163noreply@blogger.com