tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post4727398861233583034..comments2024-03-14T18:26:18.208-07:00Comments on autism's gadfly: neurodiversity advocates who live in glass houses departmentjonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-41952054654474885032008-06-24T03:37:00.000-07:002008-06-24T03:37:00.000-07:00Ok Jypsy, two specific sources. You can go to your...<I>Ok Jypsy, two specific sources. You can go to your pal Michelle Dawson's essay the misbehavior of behaviorists and read where she states that a girl who wants a cure for her brother who destroys her property, bites her wants a cure is an intolerant bigot.</I><BR/><BR/>You had better supply a quote to back your allegation as "intolerant bigot" does notr appear in that essay (therefore she never said it). When I ask for a source that's what I'm asking for: a quote and where it came from.<BR/><BR/><I>Michelle implies there should not be a cure for autism only a cure for tolerance. </I><BR/><BR/>No, you certainly have that wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>You can read Morton Gernsbachs essay autistics need acceptance not cure. Actually the title says it right there, you don't even need to read the entire essay.</I><BR/><BR/>That's what Alex's running shirt says too. So you think Alex believes all the junk you imply is meant by that statement? Again, you are very wrong.<BR/><BR/> They are clearly stating that self-injurious behavior, not talking should be accepted, nothing should be attempted to be done about that. <BR/><BR/>You couldn't be more wrong. It absolutely is NOT "clearly stating" any such thing. Remember - I believe those statements and I just told you my beliefs. They contradict your clearly stated assumptions so why not accept you are wrong? It doesn't get much clearer. <BR/><BR/><I>I don't see how else these writings could be possibly construed.</I><BR/><BR/>And if that is still the case, there's little point in continuing this conversation. It appears you don't want to see any other way but your own.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>If you were able to accomplish what you are claiming with any autistic person,</I><BR/><BR/>And lets be clear, that would be Alex talking and stopping SIB<BR/><BR/> <I>I don't understand why that would not be a cure. </I><BR/><BR/>You think Alex is cured??!! <BR/><BR/><I>If you really have some method by which severely autistic people could talk, not bite themselves, live independently, etc. I think you are being very selfish by not sharing with the rest of the world.</I><BR/><BR/>You think I have spent the last 14 years online NOT sharing what I know and have done? You call those 60-odd videos "not sharing"? What do you know of what I've done in real life on PEI? <BR/><BR/> <I>In fact you could probably become a multimillionaire or billionaire if you opened up shop and what you did does not require a medical license. If you really have these tools, then no one would need autism speaks to fund research they are funding, I would agree. I suspect there are many thousands upon thousands of people who would want to know what your secret is including your old time nemesis Harold Doherty</I><BR/><BR/>So you're calling me a liar? Alex doesn't talk? Still SIBs? <BR/><BR/>I think this conversation is over. Say what you will, you will anyway, don't let truth and/or reality get in your way.jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-47724235324155326912008-06-24T03:10:00.000-07:002008-06-24T03:10:00.000-07:00Ok Jypsy, two specific sources. You can go to you...Ok Jypsy, two specific sources. You can go to your pal Michelle Dawson's essay the misbehavior of behaviorists and read where she states that a girl who wants a cure for her brother who destroys her property, bites her wants a cure is an intolerant bigot. Michelle implies there should not be a cure for autism only a cure for tolerance. You can read Morton Gernsbachs essay autistics need acceptance not cure. Actually the title says it right there, you don't even need to read the entire essay. They are clearly stating that self-injurious behavior, not talking should be accepted, nothing should be attempted to be done about that. I don't see how else these writings could be possibly construed. <BR/><BR/>If you were able to accomplish what you are claiming with any autistic person, I don't understand why that would not be a cure. If you really have some method by which severely autistic people could talk, not bite themselves, live independently, etc. I think you are being very selfish by not sharing with the rest of the world. In fact you could probably become a multimillionaire or billionaire if you opened up shop and what you did does not require a medical license. If you really have these tools, then no one would need autism speaks to fund research they are funding, I would agree. I suspect there are many thousands upon thousands of people who would want to know what your secret is including your old time nemesis Harold Doherty.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-89968870667647326232008-06-24T03:02:00.000-07:002008-06-24T03:02:00.000-07:00ok, jypsy lets try this again. You said that you a...<I>ok, jypsy lets try this again. You said that you and Alex don't want a cure for him? </I><BR/><BR/>Alex doesn't want a cure. I don't want a cure. My other son doesn't want a cure. I have no desire to cure my children who do not want cures.<BR/><BR/><I>Assuming a cure were found,</I><BR/><BR/>now we're talking totally hypothetically because there is no cure for autism<BR/><BR/> <I>would you support Harold Doherty's right to give it to his son even if you and your son don't want it.</I> <BR/><BR/>hypothetically-- yes, unless his son doesn't want it. <BR/><BR/><I>Do you believe that autism speaks provides funding for research with the intent of murdering autistic people or is it that they want to help people live a better life, so they can speak and they won't engage in self-injurious behaviors if their autism causes them to do so?</I><BR/><BR/>neither, unless you consider abortion to be "murdering autistic people".<BR/><BR/><I>Do you believe that autism is a medical disability rather than a social disability?</I><BR/><BR/>I believe it can be both, depending on the individual and the society they live in.<BR/><BR/><I>If you believe that something should be done for autistic people who can't speak and who engage in self-injurious behaviors without curing the autism how do you propose a person would do this, even in the long term without funding scientic research? How can these goals be accomplished?</I><BR/><BR/>I never said I was against scientific research so why are you taking that option away? I suppose it could be done the way we did it. I'm sure others have managed to reach these goals in other ways. <BR/><BR/><I>I think that satisfies your requirement that I ask these questions only of you as an individual and no one else.</I><BR/><BR/>Thank you. <BR/><BR/>I'd still appreciate a singe source for that claim you made "Also the neurodiversity movement says that autistics who bang their heads against walls, who can't speak and who will rot in institutions the rest of their lives unless a cure is found should continue to do so,"jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-2997894744738616492008-06-23T13:38:00.000-07:002008-06-23T13:38:00.000-07:00ok, jypsy lets try this again. You said that you ...ok, jypsy lets try this again. You said that you and Alex don't want a cure for him? Assuming a cure were found, would you support Harold Doherty's right to give it to his son even if you and your son don't want it. Do you believe that autism speaks provides funding for research with the intent of murdering autistic people or is it that they want to help people live a better life, so they can speak and they won't engage in self-injurious behaviors if their autism causes them to do so? <BR/><BR/>Do you believe that autism is a medical disability rather than a social disability? <BR/><BR/>If you believe that something should be done for autistic people who can't speak and who engage in self-injurious behaviors without curing the autism how do you propose a person would do this, even in the long term without funding scientic research? How can these goals be accomplished?<BR/><BR/>I think that satisfies your requirement that I ask these questions only of you as an individual and no one else.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-85059842258619636922008-06-23T09:45:00.000-07:002008-06-23T09:45:00.000-07:00"Jypsy, many persons in the neurodiversity movemen...<I>"Jypsy, many persons in the neurodiversity movement yourself included..."</I><BR/><BR/>No. <BR/>Stop.<BR/>Go back and read above - "by your logic, you can totally disconnect me from ANYTHING you say about neurodiversity because I clearly am not part of your version of any neurodiversity movement."<BR/><BR/>If you'll write your comment again without putting me in your "neurodiversity movement" I'll read past your first sentence.jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-25107717047176864772008-06-23T06:19:00.000-07:002008-06-23T06:19:00.000-07:00Jypsy, many persons in the neurodiversity movement...Jypsy, many persons in the neurodiversity movement yourself included have said time and time again that they don't want a cure for autism. Not just for themselves for for their children but for any children. They object to autism speaks doing fundraising and giving money to neuroscientists, geneticists, etc. and seem to think the real purpose this money is spent is to somehow exterminate autistic people or to find ways to abort the fetuses. <BR/><BR/>Surely you can find thousands of posts like this all over the internet. You don't need me to provide a single source.<BR/><BR/>If a single person from the autism hub, ASAN, GRASP, ANI, autistics.org aspies for freedom, etc. has proposed a solution to the problem of autistic children not being able to speak, not banging their heads against walls and being able to become toilet trained when the autism is severe enough I am certainly unaware of it. Perhaps you can tell me what can be done in lieu of spending money on neurophysiologic and genetic research to find a cure. All I read about is neurodiversity preaches acceptance and that behavior should be accepted. I am still waiting for you or anyone else to tell me what should be done instead. Until you or anyone else tells me how these problems can be solved without doing scientific research to find a cure or some or treatment I will continue to believe that people in the neurodiversity movement yourself included do not mind that some autistic children cannot speak, can't go to the toilet themselves, bite themselves, run away get hit by cars, trains, drown etc.<BR/><BR/>Also I am still waiting to find out whether you think autism is a social disability or medical disability.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-40232463052733977732008-06-23T04:09:00.000-07:002008-06-23T04:09:00.000-07:00Of course I'm familiar with Andrew Solomon's artic...Of course I'm familiar with Andrew Solomon's article. In general, it was a very good article, but there were parts of it I don't agree with. Do you think that simply because a journalist makes a statement, that it automatically becomes the truth?<BR/><BR/>You continue to over-generalize, over-simplify, and ignore significant individual differences between people. You keep referring to "neurodiversity advocates" as if they are a single undifferentiated group acting in lock-step and then you make sweeping, overblown statements about them.Dave Seidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028111013282090858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-38450690372748370602008-06-23T01:57:00.000-07:002008-06-23T01:57:00.000-07:00"Also the neurodiversity movement says that autist...<I>"Also the neurodiversity movement says that autistics who bang their heads against walls, who can't speak and who will rot in institutions the rest of their lives unless a cure is found should continue to do so,"<BR/><BR/>and I asked you to provide a source because I don't believe it. If you cannot provide a source where ANYONE "says" that then I will believe someone made this up about "the neurodiversity movement" as some kind of slur.</I><BR/><BR/>Do I take it you cannot provide a source?jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-22282695679975397042008-06-22T22:58:00.000-07:002008-06-22T22:58:00.000-07:00Jypsy, so you believe autism is a disability. Tha...Jypsy, so you believe autism is a disability. That still does not answer my question. Are you familiar with the concept of medical disability versus social disability? do you believe that autism is a medical disability in and of itself independent of societal constraints? If the answer is yes, then do you enjoy the fact that Alex has medical impairments that don't allow him to speak properly and affect his other activities? If the answer to this is yes and you reject a cure, what do you propose should be done?jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-325642737736580512008-06-22T22:51:00.000-07:002008-06-22T22:51:00.000-07:00dave you asked me to cite one source, I cited seve...dave you asked me to cite one source, I cited several and here is another. Andrew Solomon's article which appeared in New York Magazine recently in which he stated the people involved in neurodiversity believe autism is not a disability. I am rather surprised you would not have read an article that largely featured your own wife. When neurodiversity advocates claim that autism speaks is committing genocide and that people who want to cure their children of a debilatating disease which most rational persons believe that autism is are bigots and intolerant of autistics and wish that autistic people could be exterminated etc they are using a simplistic amorphous mass of their own invention. I do not believe that they deserve this treatment from the variety of neurodiversity advocates that give them this treatment either. It seems to me that a lot of people with the neurodiversity message, not necessarily you or all of them are engaging in nothing but hate mongering and hate begets hate so maybe that is something you should think about.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-4918405125921496032008-06-22T12:12:00.000-07:002008-06-22T12:12:00.000-07:00You asked me to cite one source, I cited several W...<I>You asked me to cite one source, I cited several Wikipedia may have the right or wrong idea, i don't know, i just know they clearly state that neurodiversity adherents believe that autism is a normal difference no differen than any other human difference, meaning it is no less a disability than someone who is different in that they weigh more than 5 pounds than someone else. If Wikipedia's definition is subjective, than so must be yours, jypsy's and your wife's</I><BR/><BR/>No one owns the concept of neurodiversity, any more than anyone owns the concepts of disability or prejudice. The neurodiversity movement, such as it is, consists of a broad range of individuals with varied beliefs. There is no leader, no organization, no charter, no book of rules.<BR/><BR/>When you attempt to characterize "neurodiversity" with broad, unsupported negative statements, you dehumanize people by reducing the variety and nuance of their positions into a simplistic amorphous mass of your own invention. You don't deserve that kind of treatment; why should they?Dave Seidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028111013282090858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-74474027828409939072008-06-22T12:07:00.000-07:002008-06-22T12:07:00.000-07:00"I don't know what alex is like, i guess that is t...<I>"I don't know what alex is like, i guess that is the second of your two sons who is more severely afflicted.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Alex is my 2nd of 3 sons (and a daughter) and has a diagnosis of Autism. His younger brother has an Aspergers Dx. I believe you know where his blog is and from there you can watch a good pile of videos of him on YouTube. (Link in the right column)<BR/><BR/> <I>"I am not sure what your individual belief is but many in the neurodiversity movement do believe this, and you seem to promote the general belief of neurodiversity."</I><BR/><BR/>You *do* know my individual believe because I just, very clearly, stated it. <BR/><BR/><B>Autism is a disability.</B> <BR/><BR/>I don't know how I can be any clearer. <BR/><BR/>Now, by your logic, you can totally disconnect me from ANYTHING you say about neurodiversity because I clearly am not part of your version of any neurodiversity movement. <BR/><BR/>If you want to characterize my beliefs, please name me specifically so I can defend myself . <BR/><BR/><I>"Jon Shestack has been called a nazi by at least some people because he is trying to raise money so that his son or at least people like him can lead a better life and not have all the problems i mentioned above. My friend matthew belmonte who does brain research who has a brother with autism who never speaks has been called a nazi"</I> <BR/><BR/>That has NOTHING to do with ME or this conversation. Why bring it up? <BR/><BR/><I>"If a single person who believes in neurodiversity has some sort of solution where these people would not have to live in an institution the rest of his life where he would be able to speak without being cured I sure would be interested in hearing it."</I><BR/><BR/>Please try to stick to the conversation at hand. You stated:<BR/><BR/>"Also the neurodiversity movement says that autistics who bang their heads against walls, who can't speak and who will rot in institutions the rest of their lives unless a cure is found should continue to do so,"<BR/><BR/>and I asked you to provide a source because I don't believe it. If you cannot provide a source where ANYONE "says" that then I will believe someone made this up about "the neurodiversity movement" as some kind of slur. <BR/><BR/>I don't think the onus is on me at this point to provide anything, YOU are the one making claims, not me.jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-46933056698097380222008-06-22T11:40:00.000-07:002008-06-22T11:40:00.000-07:00I don't know what alex is like, i guess that is th...I don't know what alex is like, i guess that is the second of your two sons who is more severely afflicted. I am not sure what your individual belief is but many in the neurodiversity movement do believe this, and you seem to promote the general belief of neurodiversity. <BR/><BR/>Jon Shestack has been called a nazi by at least some people because he is trying to raise money so that his son or at least people like him can lead a better life and not have all the problems i mentioned above. My friend matthew belmonte who does brain research who has a brother with autism who never speaks has been called a nazi If a single person who believes in neurodiversity has some sort of solution where these people would not have to live in an institution the rest of his life where he would be able to speak without being cured I sure would be interested in hearing it.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-48900367215811899652008-06-22T11:34:00.000-07:002008-06-22T11:34:00.000-07:00In the early days of ANI before the internet had w...In the early days of ANI before the internet had widespread use, and I joined ANI thinking it was an organization of autistic persons that I could network with, the idea 14 or 15 years ago, that any person would think that curing autism would be a bad idea would have been absolutely incomprehensible to me and anyone who told me that there were people who actually believed this I would have thought them joking, Jim Sinclair had an our voice newsletter and had other mailers stating very clearly that autism was not a disability buta different way of being. I don't know if it is anywhere on the internet or not, but he really did write this and you can chose to believe me or not. <BR/><BR/>You asked me to cite one source, I cited several Wikipedia may have the right or wrong idea, i don't know, i just know they clearly state that neurodiversity adherents believe that autism is a normal difference no differen than any other human difference, meaning it is no less a disability than someone who is different in that they weigh more than 5 pounds than someone else. If Wikipedia's definition is subjective, than so must be yours, jypsy's and your wife'sjonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-46979224521656131422008-06-22T11:32:00.000-07:002008-06-22T11:32:00.000-07:00"the same neurodiversity movement you have been in...<I>"the same neurodiversity movement you have been involved with for years."</I><BR/><BR/>No, absolutely NOT. <BR/><BR/>This is you hearing it straight from *me* - that is not true, false, lacking in fact. <BR/><BR/>I am involved with no movement, "neurodiversity" or otherwise, that believes autism is not a disability. <BR/><BR/>Please point me to anywhere where I claim that. <BR/><BR/><BR/>If you define me as part of this neurodiversity movement then you cannot claim that I, or "we", believe that autism is not a disability. <BR/><BR/>If you want to point to someone or somewhere where someone in the neurodiversity movement believes this, and you want to use that as "proof" that I believe that, then you had better STOP claiming that I am part of the movement because I obviously am not.<BR/><BR/>Common sense should be enough on this point. Do you honestly think I look at Alex and see someone free of disability? Have you ever heard Alex speak? <BR/><BR/><I>"Also the neurodiversity movement says that autistics who bang their heads against walls, who can't speak and who will rot in institutions the rest of their lives unless a cure is found should continue to do so,"</I><BR/><BR/>Please provide the source for that, I don't believe it, not for a single second.jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-58605033843251936402008-06-22T11:12:00.000-07:002008-06-22T11:12:00.000-07:00Wikipedia does not define the neurodiversity movem...Wikipedia does not define the neurodiversity movement, or any other movement. Like any encyclopedia, it attempts to provide an "objective" summary of many different things, but does not always achieve that goal. It has some statements I agree with and some that I do not agree with. Do you believe everything you read there, uncritically?<BR/><BR/>I see nothing on Jim Sinclair's site averring that autism is a disability. On the contrary, xe has for several years made available a copy of <A HREF="http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/accommod.htm" REL="nofollow">xyr accommodations letter</A>, in which xe clearly states that xe is disabled.Dave Seidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028111013282090858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-43033787396472149452008-06-22T11:01:00.000-07:002008-06-22T11:01:00.000-07:00one more thought to amanda- Disability means diffe...one more thought to amanda- Disability means different things to people who want a cure for autism and those in the neurodiversity movement. Larry Arnold specifies the medical model of disability versus the social model. I believe for the most part though not 100% that autism is a medical disability with some very slight belief in the social model of disability which says that autism is only a disability because of societal constraints. The majority of neurodiversity advocates seem to me to believe in the social model of disability and that there is no medical model of disability applicable to autism. Another reference i forgot to mention dave is larry arnold's writings of it which he can find in the alt.support.autism usenet news group on the social disability versus medical disability. Neurodiversity advocates go by the social model rather than the medical model and i primarily believe in the medical model. To me this means that the majority (though not necessarily all) don't believe that autism is really a disabilityjonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-62674260828522300302008-06-22T10:52:00.000-07:002008-06-22T10:52:00.000-07:00hi jypsy, sorry about the typo, that should have r...hi jypsy, sorry about the typo, that should have read the same neurodiversity movement you have been involved with for years.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-11297912824180391452008-06-22T10:50:00.000-07:002008-06-22T10:50:00.000-07:00Kassiane Sibley your abusive has been deleted. Yo...Kassiane Sibley your abusive has been deleted. You have your own blog on which you can constantly be abusive to people and claim that all people who want a cure for autism are murderers of katie mccarron and others. You may post here if you like but I won't tolerate people being abusive to me. <BR/><BR/>Jypsy- It is the same neurodiversity movement you have been a part of for yours. <BR/><BR/>Amanda and Dave-you can look at Wikipedia's definition of neurodiversity, you can look at Judith singer's writings, you can look at jim Sinclair's writing in which he says autism is not a disaibility but a different way of being. you can read michelle dawson's TMOB essay in which she compares autism to being gay or being a woman which is the same thing as saying it is not really a disability. <BR/><BR/>And yes I stand by all my statements. Amanda is being inconsistent by criticizing Zaffle for deleting Zach's t-shirt thingy when she engages in such blatant censorship in all the groups she belongs in. Also the neurodiversity movement says that autistics who bang their heads against walls, who can't speak and who will rot in institutions the rest of their lives unless a cure is found should continue to do so, so neurodiversity thinks it is just fine that severely autistic kids like Dov Shestack should never have a shot at a decent life and just want to personally attack his parents for wishing a better life for him.jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-25168396670548567042008-06-22T10:39:00.000-07:002008-06-22T10:39:00.000-07:00Well the neurodiversity movement which claims that...<I>Well the neurodiversity movement which claims that autism is not really a disability that autism should not be cured and if a cure were available that a kid with autism should not be allowed to be able to talk, bang their head against a wall, have to live under institutional care for the rest of their life is the most inane thing that I have ever heard of ever</I><BR/><BR/>There's your false premise right there. I'd be interesting in seeing even a single citation or link that supports this flagrant misconception, especially since there is no one site or organization that speaks for all those who support rights for autistic people.Dave Seidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028111013282090858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-46877608304252462052008-06-22T10:30:00.000-07:002008-06-22T10:30:00.000-07:00Jonathan: Why is it that you continue to say we d...Jonathan: Why is it that you continue to say we don't believe autistic people are disabled, when so many of us have told you outright that we do consider ourselves disabled?<BR/><BR/>I don't understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-61698111972105072362008-06-22T09:38:00.000-07:002008-06-22T09:38:00.000-07:00Seems to me this argument got lost at the beginnin...Seems to me this argument got lost at the beginning. <BR/><BR/>Where is the line drawn?<BR/><BR/>If a person has diabetes should s/he refuse treatment under the doctrine of hormonal diversity?<BR/><BR/>What about obesity? <BR/><BR/>What about pathological gambling?<BR/><BR/>What about depression?<BR/>- Mood diversity?<BR/><BR/>Doesn't the answer depend on the heritability index (degree to which the condition runs in families/is genetic)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-9544171617608183472008-06-22T09:20:00.000-07:002008-06-22T09:20:00.000-07:00"Well the neurodiversity movement which claims tha...<I>"Well the neurodiversity movement which claims that autism is not really a disability "</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly which neurodiversity movement is that?jypsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105669108222678038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-76742096599428567552008-06-22T07:28:00.000-07:002008-06-22T07:28:00.000-07:00Well the neurodiversity movement which claims that...Well the neurodiversity movement which claims that autism is not really a disability that autism should not be cured and if a cure were available that a kid with autism should not be allowed to be able to talk, bang their head against a wall, have to live under institutional care for the rest of their life is the most inane thing that I have ever heard of everjonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8353442983052145851.post-31742808466785812962008-06-22T02:38:00.000-07:002008-06-22T02:38:00.000-07:00Limited resources=limited credibility? What? That'...Limited resources=limited credibility? What? That's officially the most inane thing I've ever heard. EVER.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com